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- 12-05-2005 11:28  
Weten iemand hier al wat hij gaat stemmen bij dat malle referendum?

Ikzelf twijfel nogal. Misschien ben ik voor, maar misschien ook wel tegen. Maar ja, ik snap er gewoon helemaal geen fuck van en heb eigenlijk ook niet zoveel zin om me er heel erg in te gaan verdiepen.

En nou hoorde ik laatst dat als de uitslag negatief is, dat de kamer dan toch - waarschijnlijk - gewoon de grondwet gaat goedkeuren. Oftewel: het heeft geen enkele zin om te stemmen.

Dus ik denk dat ik maar thuisblijf.
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- 12-05-2005 12:08  
Het is inderdaad enigszins lastig. Ik ben zelf geneigd voor te gaan stemmen, hoewel er ook weer argumenten schijnen te zijn om tegen te stemmen. Heeft iemand van die argumenten? En weet iemand eigenlijk waar die referendumwijzer staat waar je op basis van enkele vragen een idee krijgt wat je zou moeten stemmen?

Wat gaan jullie stemmen op 29 juni, bij het referendum over de Grote Markt?
Dr. Ramon
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- 12-05-2005 12:09  
Oh, het is gewoon http://www.referendumwijzer.nl. Haha! Wat is het toch ook simpel soms.
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- 12-05-2005 14:10  
Ik heb die test gedaan... En dit was het resultaat:

"Uw opvattingen komen voor 66% overeen met de Grondwet."

Wat heb ik hier nou aan?
Dr. Ramon
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- 12-05-2005 16:59  
Dat betekent dat je eigenlijk voor zou zijn. Op TV deed Harry van Bommel de test - of hoe heet ie, iemand van de SP iig - en ondanks dat hij zelf dacht dat hij tegen was zou hij volgens de test vóór zijn. Dit deed hem tot de conclusie leiden dat de test gekleurd zou zijn. Dus tja, wat je er mee moet valt niet echt te zeggen eigenlijk.
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- 12-05-2005 17:01  
Hmm, nou weet ik dus nog niks...

Heb jij de test al gedaan? En wat kwam eruit?
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- 13-05-2005 16:01  
Nee, ik heb hem nog niet gedaan. Ik zal hem binnenkort eens gaan doen. Ik ben op dit moment nog steeds voor. Wie weet blijk ik straks wel helemaal tegen te zijn!
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- 15-05-2005 14:13  
Ach jongens maak je niet druk! De Fransen stemmen enige tijd voor ons en zullen tóch tegenstemmen. Onze stem is dan niet meer van belang..
Dr. Ramon
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- 16-05-2005 10:29  
Wat stem jij dan?
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- 16-05-2005 11:09  
Als echte linkse rakkert stem ik natuurlijk tegen!
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- 16-05-2005 18:14  
De eerste keer dat jij je hier politiek profileerde was je dacht ik lekker rechts a la Pim?
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- 16-05-2005 19:28  
ja ik probeerde jullie in verwarring te brengen...

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasme
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- 16-05-2005 22:07  
Okee, je stemt dus voor! Maar je geestverwanten bij de LPF stemmen tegen... Apart...
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- 17-05-2005 12:33  
Jullie snappen er ook niets van he?!

Ik stem denk ik tegen. Maar ik weet het nog niet zeker.

En waarom? Omdat ik vind dat deze grondwet er van bovenaf wordt doorgedrukt.
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- 17-05-2005 16:09  
http://www.grondweteu.nl/top10
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- 17-05-2005 17:21  
Dit zijn de standpunten v/d partijen:

GroenLinks: Ja
SP: Nee
LPF: Nee
CDA: Ja
VVD: Ja
D66: Ja
PvdA: Ja
CH: Nee

Conclusie: het voor/tegen stemmen heeft helemaal niets met links of rechts te maken. Dus de opmerking "Als echte linkse rakkert stem ik natuurlijk tegen!" is sowieso niet te snappen.
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- 17-05-2005 20:29  
Nou ja SP is heel erg tegen... en SP zijn toch linkse rakkerts?
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- 17-05-2005 20:34  
Tsja, de SP kun je inderdaad niet van rechtse ideeën beschuldigen.
Dr. Ramon
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- 18-05-2005 08:03  
Wat is de CH?
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- 18-05-2005 10:33  
Tikfout! Ik bedoelde natuurlijk CU, oftewel de GristenUnie.
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- 18-05-2005 12:58  
Ah, de GU.
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- 18-05-2005 20:24  
Als je echt een held bent dan lees je http://www.grondweteu.nl/documenten/europese_grondwet_1e_deel.pdf even door....

Dat is de volledige grondwet! Succes!
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- 18-05-2005 20:29  
Oh ja! Ook relevant: http://www.ukomttochook.nl/actueel.asp?iId=9888&MODUS=homedetail&hr=0.

Zijn jullie ook communisten?!
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- 18-05-2005 22:58  
Ik heb de grondwet al in krantvorm op het postkantoor bemachtigd. Van wat ik ervan las, vond ik het niet erg in concreto treden. Een beetje vaag gebazel op de vlakte.
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- 18-05-2005 23:13  
Ik heb de referendumwijzer even snel gedaan en ik kwam op 74% uit. Ik heb echter wel een beetje gestemd met de gedachte voor te gaan stemmen en dan kom je al gauw op zo'n score uit.
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- 20-05-2005 16:15  
Hier alle URLs die in de Grondwetkrant staan:

http://www.ukomttochook.nl
http://www.grondweteu.nl
http://www.grondwetnee.nl
http://www.bestbelangrijk.nl
http://www.grondweteuropa.nl
http://www.europa.eu.int
http://www.europeesparlement.nl
http://www.referendumcommissie.nl
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- 20-05-2005 21:54  
GADVERDAMME!!! MARCEL VAN DAM (u weet wel die vreselijke h*fter) die is tegen

http://www.grondwetnee.info/wst_page8.html#Democratie


IK BEN VOOR!!!
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- 20-05-2005 21:59  
Kent u links-lullen-rechts-vullen-marcel nog? De man verantwoordelijk voor het op de fles gaan van het frisdrankmerk "Exota" en de man die PF uitmaakte voor "minderwaardig mens".

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exota-affaire
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_van_Dam

Die man moet zijn bek houden, lekker de VARA-gids gaan lezen en nooit meer iets schrijven...vreselijke kerel.
Dr. Ramon
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- 21-05-2005 01:06  
Wat leuk! Eindelijk eens een mening die ik met Scylla kan delen. Een van de meest heuglijke dagen uit mijn leven vond plaats toen de aankondiging werd gedaan dat Marcel van Dam met zijn televisie-optredens (in ieder geval bij het Lagerhuis) zou stoppen. Als ik ooit een hekel aan iemand heb gehad, was het wel Marcel van Dam. Hij kon absoluut niet debatteren: in het debat met de prominente Nederlander van die week liet hij de ander niet uitpraten en probeerde hij te doen voorkomen alsof hij gelijk had door dan maar harder te gaan praten. Domme mensen praten vaak harder om slimmer te lijken. Inhoudelijk waren zijn argumenten meestal slecht. Zijn verheugde gekraai als hij weer eens meende het publiek achter zich te hebben in zo'n debat was een doorn in mijn oor.

Inderdaad kwam ik op de grondwet-nee site ook dat stukje van hem tegen. Het is weer typisch meester Van Dam die meent de klas de les te moeten lezen hoe de vork nu werkelijk in de steel zit. De kort-door-de-bocht conclusies die daar dan aan verbonden worden, worden met dit semi-pedagogische geneuzel er makkelijk doorheen gejast. Dank u wel mijnheer Van Dam. Door u weet ik weer waarom ik voor wil stemmen.
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- 21-05-2005 08:47  
Ja in discussies overruled hij iedereen met zijn drammerig gegil... je hebt het mooi omschreven.

We zijn het eens Ramon!
Frode
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- 22-05-2005 12:51  
Als ik kon stemmen had ik ook voor gestemd.
De enige redenen om tegen te stemmen die ik heb gehoord zijn:
"We hebben eerder niets mogen inbrengen, dus zijn we nu tegen"
"Het infoboekje snap ik niet, dus ik ben tegen"
"Als ik voor stem mag ik niet meer blowen"

De eerste 2 zijn natuurlijk volkomen onzin, en lijkt me niet dat drugsbeleid in de grondwet staat.
Ik snap niet waarom mensen tegen zijn, terwijl het toch half Nederland is.
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 22-05-2005 21:54  
Hee, Frode, wil je mijn referendumstem kopen? Voor 20 euro stem ik wat jij wilt (voor dus)! Goeie deal toch?
Frode
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- 22-05-2005 22:21  
Dat ik er voor zorg dat jij de juiste beslissing voor jezelf neemt lijkt me al beloning genoeg om te stemmen wat ik wil.
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- 23-05-2005 10:23  
Daar verschillen we dan van mening over...
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- 03-07-2005 19:23  
Tjonge.

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Mijn nieuwe KzK-opmerking
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- 04-07-2005 10:12  
Poepoe
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- 05-07-2005 00:25  
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- 06-07-2005 21:07  
Wat hadden jullie gestemd eigenlijk? Ik voor dus.
Frode
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- 07-07-2005 00:10  
Ik had 'voor' gestemd, als ik kon stemmen.
Bjørn
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- 08-07-2005 18:06  
Ik had ook voor gestemd. Georg, Laurens en Gerben trouwens ook.

Goed en daarna hebben we natuurlijk voor de vernieuwingen van het centrum gestemd! Jammer dat er in verhouding zo weinig mensen waren die zich hierbij betrokken voelde, maar leuk dat er over het algemeen meer voor waren.
Dr. Ramon
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- 09-07-2005 00:16  
Wie is Gerben dan?
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 09-07-2005 13:34  
Wie is Laurens?
Dr. Ramon
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- 09-07-2005 21:22  
Wie ben ik?
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- 10-07-2005 11:19  
Dat was een televisieprogramma... Met Ron...
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- 10-07-2005 11:39  
Ja, leuk was dat he?
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- 10-07-2005 13:28  
Nee
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- 10-07-2005 14:47  
Hoe kun je dat nu niet leuk hebben gevonden? Het was een programma met zowel Ron als André als Caroline! Een magisch trio. Uiteraard doet het nu wat oubollig aan in de hedendaagse televisietrend waarin alles maar sneller, mooier en groter moet. En het was dan ook wel een afgetrokken kloon van dat nog oudere programma met Jos Brink. Verder heb ik het eigenlijk ook nooit echt gezien omdat ik het geloof ik toen al te triest voor woorden vond.

Maar toch... eh... is het eigenlijk best wel slecht ja...
Bjørn
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- 12-07-2005 15:05  
Gerben is iemand uit onze flat, waarmee ik Multi-Agent Systems heb gevolgd en die tevens meebetaalt aan ons internet. Hij is een World of Warcraft fan, en de man achter generals.nl.
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- 12-07-2005 15:59  
Die Gerben ook!

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Wie ben ik? was een flauw kutprogramma. Ron "kijkcijferkanon" Brandsteder mocht er enkel op de tweede viool spelen. Een schande! Ron verdient het om optimaal in beeld te komen.
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- 12-07-2005 19:54  
Ik vond het ook eigenlijk alleen leuk omdat André van Duin erin zat. Maar eigenlijk viel dat ook al een beetje tegen. Hij kwam niet zo veel in beeld. Ook omdat Ron teveel in beeld kwam.
Georg
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- 12-07-2005 22:44  
Maar ja, dat heb je natuurlijk ook al gauw.
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- 12-07-2005 23:04  
Toch heb ik wel van zijn show genoten.
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Warning: strftime(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /var/www/html/includes/functions.php on line 24
- 14-07-2005 10:12  
Dat weten we Ramon, dat weten we...
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Warning: strtotime(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /var/www/html/includes/functions.php on line 24

Warning: strftime(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /var/www/html/includes/functions.php on line 24
- 15-07-2005 09:54  
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