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Dr. Ramon
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- 15-08-2003 20:12 |
| Ik heb hier te maken met een hele irritante MSN outage, die in heel Selwerd lijkt voor te komen. Ook de Hotmail site is niet te bereiken, terwijl ik op de een of andere manier met Outlook Express een Hotmailtje heb ontvangen. Zijn er nog meer mensen met MSN outage? |
Laurens
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- 15-08-2003 20:23 |
| Ik. |
Bjørn
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- 15-08-2003 21:10 |
Tjongejongejonge, wie gebruikt er dan ook MSN?
Maar goed, ik ga natuurlijk niet lopen ontkennen dat een Jabber server er nooit uit ligt. Ikzelf ben Bjørn@jabber.org en de huidige uptime van de jabber.org server is net iets meer dan 4 dagen. |
Dr. Ramon
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- 15-08-2003 21:55 |
| Ah, nu is Laurens er dan toch ook door getroffen. Gelukkig. |
Laurens
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- 15-08-2003 22:00 |
| Uptime van die server maar 4 dagen? Dat valt tegen ... Zelfs mijn Manus is langer up (al issie nu niet meer up te krijgen sinds ik hem heb uitgeschakeld tijdens mijn vakantie [MBR naar de maan])... |
Sascha
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- 16-08-2003 11:29 |
Messenger zelf is vrij lang up hoor. Ik weet niet wanneer de laatste downtime was, maar gister was dat zeker niet het geval. Alles werkte hier nog prima.
En wat is er mis met het MSN en Messenger?
Ik heb gister, geheel tegen mijn wil, nog wat zitten klooien met linux. Wat is dat een troep zeg! Verschrikkelijk! Booten wilde alleen vanaf cdrw, niet vanaf cdr of dvd. En verder werkte het ook niet goed! (biosflash mislukt) Lang leve MicroSoft! |
Frode
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- 16-08-2003 11:45 |
| Ik had er geen last van, maar het enige dat mij tegenhoud Linux te gebruiken is dat er geen of weinig goede alternatieven zijn voor de programma's die ik gebruik. En nee, de Gimp vindt ik geen goed alternatief voor Photoshop. |
Laurens
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- 16-08-2003 11:54 |
Sascha, Linux is lastig als je weinig ervaring er mee hebt. Ik zelf heb nu al redelijk wat ervaring, en het is een prachtig systeem. Booten vanaf CD-ROM? Dat ligt niet aan het OS maar aan je BIOS of aan je CD's.
Het enige wat mij weerhoudt om Linux te gebruiken, is het feit dat mijn dual monitor daar niet goed in werkt. Misschien koop ik wel eens een apart (Mini-ITX) systeempje voor Linux. |
Sascha
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- 16-08-2003 13:57 |
Hehe nou als het flashen goed zou werken, dan hadden we er allang windows van gemaakt!
Op zich is hier inderdaad het OS niet het probleem, maar de software die daaronder draait. Verschrikkelijk! Met meldingen als "Please ignore all warnings!" maakt het zichzelf niet populair, zeker niet met warnings tijdens het flashen van een bios.
Het gaat trouwes om linux op de Xbox. Op de pc vind ik het ook verschrikkelijk, maar niet geheel onbruikbaar. |
Laurens
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- 16-08-2003 15:41 |
| Linux is super. Echt heel mooi. Helemaal als serversoftware, maar zeker ook als desktop systeem. |
Sascha
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- 16-08-2003 16:12 |
| pfft |
Laurens
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- 16-08-2003 16:18 |
| Zet jij maar eens een Manus-like servertje op, op vergelijkbare hardware, met Windows. Zelfde functionaliteit, uptime en performance is dan niet te halen. Durf ik te wedden. |
Sascha
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- 16-08-2003 18:30 |
Wil ik best wel proberen, alleen heb ik geen vergelijkbare hardware. Als we erom gaan wedden welke een hogere uptime heeft, dan komt het gewoon neer op enerzijds de prestaties van essent en nuon en anderzijds de gevolgen van alle vormen van straling.
Stabilitiet voor zo'n servertje is echt geen probleem! |
Laurens
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- 16-08-2003 18:48 |
Ach kom nou. Op een 133Mhz met 16MB RAM kan je niet stabiel een server draaien op Windows.
Maar ok, jij beweert dus dat je met die specs een stabiele WINDOWS server kan maken die HTTP, FTP, SFTP, SSH, mail (smtp) en Secure IMAP4 serveert? En die daarmee ook nog eens maar 5.7MB RAM verbruikt, MULTI USER is en dus gebruikers in staat stelt er remote op in te loggen en applicaties te starten en gebruiken? Oja, de software moet ook volledig remote te onderhouden zijn.
Manus is super stabiel. Hij is nooit gecrasht. Geheugengebruik is min of meer constant (5 - 8MB). De enige reden waarom hij ooit down is geweest, is omdat ik a] eens de update heb verknald (ga nooit op een debian systeem handmatig packages verwijderen); b] omdat ik de MBR had verprutst bij het uitzetten (wat overigens best wel makkelijk op te lossen was met een rescue diskette).
Knappe jongen als je dat kan. |
Sascha
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- 17-08-2003 04:36 |
Geen probleem!
Het vinden van de wat oudere software zal wat lastig zijn (om geheugen te besparen enzo). Op zich kan dit ook wel gewoon onder dos. Ik heb wel eens een browser gezien voor een 8086. Erg gaaf! En nee, het was niet alleen tekst maar ook plaatjes! Het afbeelden van plaatjes ging langzamer dan het downloaden van jpg met een 9k6 modem, maar er zaten plaatjes in! Frames enzo werkten ook wel, javascript niet. Maarja, voor een 8086 onder dos toch best gaaf! Alleen jammer dat we toen het inbellen enzo niet aan de praat kregen :$
Maarja, als jij mij manus leent, zul je pas eens een koel systeem terugkrijgen :p |
Bjørn
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- 17-08-2003 19:01 |
"Op zich kan dit ook wel gewoon onder dos."
Dit ruikt naar een enorme drang om jezelf te martelen. En wat mij betreft is waar Laurens om vroeg met DOS onmogelijk, ongeacht of er een DOS browser bestaat.
"Het gaat trouwes om linux op de Xbox."
In dit geval heb je het niet alleen over "software die onder Linux draait" maar je hebt het over experimentele software die nog maar een paar weken oud is. Daarvan kun je niet anders verwachten dan dat je er problemen mee ondervindt. |
Bjørn
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- 17-08-2003 19:10 |
Ik draai nu al een tijdje Slackware Linux en ben er zeer tevreden over. Maar goed, Sascha kennende wil hij er verder niks van weten.
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If a listener nods his head when you're explaining your program, wake him up. - Fortune |
Laurens
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- 18-08-2003 09:01 |
| Kijk, met Bjorn kan je tenminste praten :-) |
Georg
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- 18-08-2003 11:20 |
| Ik zie dat er hier verstandige mensen rondlopen. Ik liep hier zeer trots rond in mijn Debian T-shirt, en iemand van Rusland vond dat natuurlijk verschrikkelijk stoer en hij heeft er een foto van gemaakt. |
Dr. Ramon
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- 18-08-2003 12:35 |
| Wat raar, dat ze dat in Rusland niet hebben dan. Ik bedoel, als je arm bent dan ga je toch juist eerder een gratis OS gebruiken? Of zie ik het nu verkeerd? |
Sascha
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- 18-08-2003 12:49 |
Ik wil er best wel meer van weten hoor. Sterker nog, als het echt beter, prettiger en leuker werkt dan windows xp, dan zou ik het jammer vinden als ik het moet missen. Alleen is dat tot op heden nog nooit gebeurd.
Enneuh, dat xbox gebeuren is echt niet maar een paar weken oud hoor, dat is al behoorlijk ver gevorderd. |
Georg
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- 18-08-2003 15:16 |
| Wie zegt dat ze geen Linux gebruiken? |
Bjørn
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- 19-08-2003 23:20 |
Het feit dat iemand uit Rusland het T-shirt zo geweldig vindt zegt toch juist iets over de populairiteit van Debian/Linux in Rusland? Maar daar in Rusland hebben natuurlijk weinig mensen het geld om ook het bijbehorende T-shirt te kopen.
Sascha: "Sterker nog, als het echt beter, prettiger en leuker werkt dan windows xp, dan zou ik het jammer vinden als ik het moet missen."
Het probleem is dat dat een mening is waarvan ik bijna zeker weet dat jij hem niet deelt. Verder heb ik geen zin om hierover met jou in discussie te gaan omdat ik denk dat die discussie redelijk oeverloos zou zijn. Volgens mij zoek jij een "Windows, maar dan beter" besturingssysteem, en dat is Linux niet.
Ik ben trouwens van plan morgen een laptop aan te schaffen. Een nieuwe, maar wel de goedkoopste bij NoRRoD. Ik hoop dat Slackware er een beetje op te installeren valt. Een laptop lijkt me namelijk al erg lang heel handig en is ook ideaal om mee te nemen naar Ierland. |
Laurens
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- 20-08-2003 16:52 |
Waarom zou iedereen in Rusland arm zijn? Zo'n summerschool is ook niet goedkoop, maar daar kannie wel heen?
Kewl een laptop! Op laptops kan je heel goed Linux installeren hoor! |
Dr. Ramon
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- 20-08-2003 18:17 |
| Oh, misschien zijn ze er wel arm omdat ze zich helemaal blauw hebben betaald aan legale Windows XP installs... |
Bjørn
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- 20-08-2003 19:22 |
| Ik weet niet waarom ze in Rusland zo arm zijn. Je hoort wel eens wat over het communisme en hoe dat het land ten onder bracht, maar ik heb daar verder geen verstand van. |
Sascha
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- 20-08-2003 20:17 |
| In Moskou hadden ze het afgelopen winter erg leuk met stadsverwarming... Buiten is het -25 graden, binnen boven de +25. En als je een raam openzet, verspil je kostbare energie en kun je een boete krijgen :) |
Frode
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- 20-08-2003 23:02 |
| Volgens mij denken wij alleen dat Rusland zo arm is door de TV-beelden van zwervers enzo. Het valt allemaal vast gewoon mee, als mensen zelfs een foto-toestel kunnen kopen met foto-rolletje en daar foto's mee gaan maken van Debian t-shirts. |
Georg
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- 21-08-2003 11:26 |
| Victor naast me zegt dat het gemiddelde salaris circa 300 euro/maand is. In Roemenie is dat ongeveer 100 euro/maand. Verder zegt Victor dat iedereen gewoon Windows kopieert en Linux meer door hackers gebruikt wordt. Communisme heeft Rusland, Roemenie en Albanie helemaal tot aan de grond gebracht als ik de mensen van daar moet geloven. |
Laurens
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- 21-08-2003 11:30 |
Vuile communisten. Vuile rode klootzakken. Laat Karl Marx branden in de hel.
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Zo! |
Georg
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- 21-08-2003 11:31 |
| Hehe, dat is niet helemaal op zijn plaats denk ik. |
Laurens
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- 21-08-2003 11:35 |
| Heh heh. |
Sascha
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- 21-08-2003 11:56 |
| Op zich is er niks mis met 'lage salarissen', als de prijzen verder ook maar laag zijn, en dat zijn ze niet. Een behoorlijke groep zal wel rond kunnen komen, maar studenten die op kamers moeten gaan en ook nog schoolgeld moeten betalen... Die zijn er (in verhouding) niet zo veel, omdat het teveel kost. |
Dr. Ramon
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- 21-08-2003 16:53 |
| Ja, het communisme heeft veel landen wel aan financiële afgronden gebracht. Als ik de Discovery documentaires mag geloven. |
Frode
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- 21-08-2003 18:09 |
| Ach, dat is allemaal relatief. |
Dr. Ramon
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- 21-08-2003 20:29 |
| Nee. |
Frode
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- 21-08-2003 22:09 |
| Nee, ok... |
Sascha
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- 21-08-2003 23:40 |
| Het is makkelijk het communisme overal de schuld van te geven, maar zo werkt het niet. De fouten liggen niet bij een denkwijze of landsbestuur, maar bij mensen. Niet de algehele bevolking, maar bij een kleine groep mensen die niet om kan gaan met de macht/verantwoordelijkheid die zij heeft. Bij alles wat er met Rusland gebeurd is, is het effect van communisme lang niet zo negatief als het effect van de manier waarop deze (schijn)communisme geleefd heeft. |
Laurens
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- 22-08-2003 09:07 |
Communisme heeft soms zo z'n charmes, maar in de praktijk werkt het gewoon niet. Kapitalisme hoeze! Stem tegen, stem geen SP! Democratie roeleert.
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Whoooooo! |
Georg
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- 22-08-2003 10:58 |
| Zoveel onzin in zo weinig letters Laurens. Lees eerst het partijprogramma van de SP, dan zul je zien dat de SP behoorlijk democratisch is, vergeleken met een hoop andere partijen in Nederland. Maar ik ben het met je eens dat het communisme gewoon niet werkt in de praktijk. |
Laurens
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- 22-08-2003 11:15 |
| *hap* *hap* |
Dr. Ramon
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- 22-08-2003 13:45 |
Ik bedoelde eigenlijk ook precies te zeggen wat Sascha zei, maar ik had geen zin om zoveel te typen. Gelukkig doet Sascha dat dan voor mij en dan komt alles toch weer goed!
Inderdaad is het communisme uit idealistisch oogpunt een nobel streven, maar de praktijk toont dat mensen er gewoon niet geschikt voor zijn. Zodra iemand macht krijgt, gaat hij dat uitbuiten. |
Laurens
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- 22-08-2003 13:46 |
| Ramon die niet veel wil typen... |
Dr. Ramon
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- 22-08-2003 13:54 |
| A man can change, a man can change... |
Bjørn
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- 24-08-2003 19:35 |
Ramon die niet veel wil typen maar met een bevestiging van Sascha z'n berichtje zowat evenveel woordig nodig heeft als Sascha zelf. ;-)
Ik wil verder nog even kwijt dat ik bovenstaande discussie over het communisme vol interesse heb zitten lezen. |
Dr. Ramon
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- 24-08-2003 22:40 |
| Daar heb je best wel een punt Bjørn. Nou ja, beter teveel tekst en je boodschap duidelijk overgebracht dan te weinig tekst en een onduidelijke boodschap. |
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