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Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 17-09-2002 19:20 |
Vandaag heb ik een heus MIDI-keyboard van Roland gekocht (49 toetsen, modulatei, bending, octaaf shift, aftertouch, aanslaggevoeligheid)! Sta ik met dat ding op het station te wachten op de bus, kom ik Bjørn opeens tegen... En alsof de feesrvreugde nog niet groot genoeg was, kwam Scylla er ook nog bij staan! Ik wist dit niet aangezien ik deze Gouden Emmer bezoeker nog nooit eerder gezien had. Gelukkig kende Bjørn hem wel. Dat wou ik even kwijt. |
Frode
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- 17-09-2002 19:58 |
Nou gefeliciteert met je keyboardje, Edwin. En wat een schande dat je Scylla nog nooit eerder had gezien, zeg. Maar het is je vergeven. |
Georg
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- 17-09-2002 20:43 |
Dat klinkt een stuk beter dan je oude (en beter dan die van ons). |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 17-09-2002 20:48 |
Hij klinkt inderdaad beter. En je kan hem volgens mij niet vergelijken met die van jullie aangezien dit uitsluitend een MIDI-keyboard is. |
Bjørn
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- 17-09-2002 20:49 |
Ik onderging natuurlijk een soorgelijke aangename verrassing. Ik liep naar de bushalte en was al blij dat ik Edwin zag zitten (ja, en met een keyboard nog wel). Nog maar net in gesprek kwam Scylla ineens aanlopen, die met de bus naar zijn ouderlijk huis ging. |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 17-09-2002 20:51 |
En Scylla vertelde ook dat hij nog nooit naar het Concours Hippique was geweest! Het is toch verschrikkelijk. Bjørn gaat daar ook al niet heen. Is er eens een evenement in Een-West, gaat niemand er heen... Ik stel voor dat we volgend jaar met z'n allen naar dit festijn gaan. Lijkt ons dat niet leuk? |
Bjørn
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- 17-09-2002 20:56 |
Dat lijkt mij in ieder geval inderdaad niet leuk. |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 17-09-2002 20:57 |
Tuurlijk wel! Je moet je er open voor stellen! |
Sascha
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- 17-09-2002 23:46 |
Nou mij kan het niet schelen wat de Eén-Westers onder ons ervan vinden, ikzelf vind dat iedereen het er per definitie over eens moet zijn dat als er veel DGE-ers naartoe gaan, het altijd wel leuk is! |
Dr. Ramon
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- 18-09-2002 08:47 |
Nou, dan ga ik gezellig mee! En als heel DGE eenmaal meegaat, gaan Bjørn en Scylla vast ook wel mee. |
Bjørn
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- 18-09-2002 11:03 |
Daar heeft Sascha wel gelijk, als we met z'n allen gaan zal zelfs het Concours Hippique een aangenaam dagje uit zijn. Nu alleen nog wachten tot het volgende Concours Hippique, volgend jaar zomervakantie.... |
Laurens
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- 18-09-2002 11:45 |
Ik ga niet naar Concours Hippique. Ik heb schijthekel aan al die kut knollen. Ik wil er niets mee te maken hebben. Ik ga toch ook niet naar Nienoord als daar weer eens iets bijzonders is. |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 18-09-2002 12:29 |
Jij gaar gewoon mee, Laurens! Ik wil er niks meer over horen. Je past je maar aan! |
Dr. Ramon
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- 18-09-2002 12:45 |
Precies! Niks geen gezeur hier, dat hebben we al genoeg gehad. |
Sascha
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- 18-09-2002 18:15 |
"kut knollen"?
Ik heb geen flauw idee wat voor dag het is.... Waar gaan wij nou eigenlijk precies een gezellig dagje uit van maken? |
Laurens
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- 18-09-2002 19:30 |
Nee, ik ga niet. |
Sascha
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- 18-09-2002 20:07 |
Nee, je gaat wel! |
Laurens
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- 18-09-2002 20:55 |
Nee, ik ga niet. |
Sascha
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- 18-09-2002 23:06 |
Nee, je gaat wèl! |
No name
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- 18-09-2002 23:07 |
rondrennende paarden die springen over palen die eraf vallen als je ze raakt... niets voor mij. |
Sascha
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- 18-09-2002 23:09 |
Oh koel! En dat in Eén-West?
Wat geweldig! Ik hoop maar dat er genoeg DGE-leden meegaan om zo'n evenement te kunnen overleven! |
Georg
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- 18-09-2002 23:19 |
Als de datum mij uitkomt ben ik zeker van de partij! |
Dr. Ramon
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- 19-09-2002 09:04 |
We gaan!
Met die banaan?
Ik ben ook zeker van de partij als de datum mij uitkomt. |
Laurens
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- 19-09-2002 14:01 |
Ik ben niet van de partij. |
Dr. Ramon
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- 19-09-2002 14:35 |
Sascha zegt dat je wel gaat. Ik vind ook dat je moet gaan. Edwin vindt eveneens dat je moet gaan. Dat zijn al drie mensen die vinden dat je mee moet gaan. Hoe kun je nu tegen zo'n grote overmacht op? |
Bjørn
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- 19-09-2002 20:44 |
Ik vind ook dat Laurens mee moet gaan. |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 19-09-2002 20:46 |
We vergeten nu even 1 ding in deze discussie: Laurens heeft helemaal niks te willen. Hij gaat mee en dat gezeur van hem moet maar eens afgelopen zijn... |
Frode
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- 19-09-2002 21:26 |
Desnoods slepen we hem met waterbed en al mee!
Ik moet ook maar weer van de partij zijn. |
Laurens
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- 19-09-2002 21:31 |
Ik ga niet. |
Frode
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- 19-09-2002 21:37 |
Nee, jij blijft lekker liggen en wij nemen je mee... Of je nou gaat of niet. |
Laurens
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- 20-09-2002 08:55 |
HAhaha, wie wou je daarvoor meenemen? Nou ja, als ik opeens het koude staal van een pistool in mijn nek voel, dan heb je kans dat ik mee ga...
Maar dat gebeurt niet, dus ik ga niet.
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Nee, ik ga niet!! |
No name
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- 20-09-2002 10:32 |
Ik ga ook niet. Ik haat paarden, en vooral die meisjes die ze berijden. |
Laurens
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- 20-09-2002 11:03 |
Zo! Ik haat ook paarden! Op dat gebied zitten we op 1 lijn Hilly! Die meisjes die ze berijden zijn meestal snollen (niet altijd hoor), en da's irritant.... |
Frode
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- 20-09-2002 20:17 |
Je gaat er toch niet heen voor de paarden! Nee! Je gaat er heen vanwege dat SPRINGKASTEEL! Woohooooo! |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 20-09-2002 20:52 |
Is er een SPRINGKASTEEL!!!! Wauw! Daar wil ik heeeeen! |
Sascha
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- 20-09-2002 23:39 |
Yahoooo! Mogen daar wel jongetjes van in de twintig in springen? |
Dr. Ramon
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- 20-09-2002 23:39 |
Whooooohooooo! Een SPRINGKASTEEL! Nu weet ik zeker dat ik mee ga! |
Georg
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- 21-09-2002 09:06 |
Een SPRINGKASTEEL?! Joepie! Dan knallen we alle kleine kinderen eraf en dan is dat kasteel van ons, dat is leuk! |
Laurens
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- 21-09-2002 09:45 |
AAAAAH!! Laat me met ru---hu--huu-st over dat stomme concours! Ik ga niet!!
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Mits ze natuurlijk een arcadehal ofzo daar hebben...
EDIT: die -> dat |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 21-09-2002 11:03 |
Ik heb gehoord dat ze er volgend jaar een arcadehal neer gaan zetten. Joehoe, Laurens gaat dus mee!!! |
Laurens
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- 21-09-2002 11:12 |
Dan wil ik eerst zwart op wit zien dat er een arcadehal is, en dan zal ik het nog eens overdenken. |
Dr. Ramon
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- 21-09-2002 13:13 |
die stomme concours
Het is 'dat' stomme concours... En het is helemaal niet stom natuurlijk! Als er een SPRINGKASTEEL is niet tenminste. En als er een arcadehal is helemaal niet meer. |
Laurens
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- 21-09-2002 13:30 |
Het is wel stom, en ik ga er niet heen.
Discussie gesloten! |
Sascha
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- 21-09-2002 13:35 |
Neenee, jij kunt discussies niet sluiten! En het is niet stom! Kom op DLL, je weet wel beter dan dit... Waarom stel je ons zo teleur? Nu hebben we allemaal gehoopt dat je mee zou gaan en nu krijgen we allemaal zo'n hekel aan onze dark lord dat... ikzelf al spijt heb van het voorstellen van een fanclub! |
Frode
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- 21-09-2002 14:05 |
Er is een springkasteel(tje). Maar over een arcadehal heb ik niets gehoord, alhoewel je met je fantasie een heel eind komt en natuurlijk is huize Lindeijer ook dicht in de buurt! |
Laurens
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- 21-09-2002 16:05 |
Beuh... Ik wil niet! |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 21-09-2002 17:43 |
Maar je gaat wel. |
Laurens
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- 21-09-2002 18:00 |
Aaarg!! Waarom zou ik!? Wanneer is het eigelijk? Misschien kan ik niet eens! (Please, if there is a God!) |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 21-09-2002 21:31 |
Tuurlijk kun je wel. We gaan het ruim van te voren plannen... |
Laurens
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- 21-09-2002 21:59 |
Jank... Huil... |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 21-09-2002 22:23 |
Het wordt hartstikke leuk! |
Sascha
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- 21-09-2002 22:37 |
Luister maar naar Edwin! (uiteraard beperkt tot de hoeveelheid uitspraken waarover Edwin en ik het eens zijn)
Het wordt namelijk ook hartstikke leuk! |
Laurens
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- 21-09-2002 22:38 |
Nou ik denk van niet. Daarom zal ik ook niet van de partij zijn. |
Sascha
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- 21-09-2002 22:48 |
Waarom niet? Het gaat mij wat te snel... 'Daarom' suggereert een logische conclusie te zijn, maar ik zie de logica niet. |
Laurens
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- 22-09-2002 09:35 |
"Het wordt hartstikke leuk!" + "Nou ik denk van niet" = "DAAROM zal ik ook niet van de partij zijn" |
Sascha
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- 22-09-2002 13:47 |
Dat was wel vrij duidelijk, maar je kunt geen logische conclusie trekken uit een aanname.
(Ik dacht dat dat wel duidelijk was als informatici onder elkaar) |
Laurens
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- 22-09-2002 14:55 |
Nou, in dit geval kan het wel! :p |
Frode
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- 22-09-2002 14:59 |
Volgens mij klopt het ook gewoon, hoor. |
Bjørn
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- 22-09-2002 15:07 |
Laurens zal niet van de partij zijn, OMDAT hij denkt dat het niet hartstikke leuk gaat worden. Dat lijkt me overduidelijk, een ook logisch correct. |
Laurens
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- 22-09-2002 16:29 |
Bjorn, de redder in nood. |
Sascha
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- 22-09-2002 17:54 |
Sja ok... Ik weet ook niet meer precies hoe ik dat bedoelde... Maar het is niet logisch correct. Het is namelijk een aanname en een conclusie... Maar een conclusie mag je, logisch gezien, niet trekken uit een aanname. Het gaat hier echter niet om een logische conclusie maar een afweging. Wordt het leuk genoeg? Sommige mensen denken ten onrechte van niet en willen aan de hand van deze gedachtengang, wat dus niet meer dan een afweging is, handelen door niet naar deze leuke dag te komen. Erg jammer... |
Laurens
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- 22-09-2002 18:16 |
QED |
Bjørn
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- 23-09-2002 13:46 |
Ik ben het lekker niet met Sascha eens. In mijn berichtje staat dat Laurens denkt dat het niet hartstikke leuk gaat worden. Dit is een feit, en geen aanname of afweging. Dit is ook precies waarom Laurens niet van de partij zal zijn.
En dat blijft inderdaad jammer... |
Laurens
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- 23-09-2002 14:22 |
Ach kom nou! Volgens mij ben jij er ook nog nooit geweest Bjorn, terwijl je er zowat tegenover woont. |
Georg
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- 23-09-2002 15:03 |
Ik denk dat Bjorn gelijk heeft, maar het doet er niet toe. |
Sascha
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- 23-09-2002 18:30 |
Elke mening is een gemeend feit, want elke mening is waar; anders zou het geen mening zijn.
Ik kan ook wel zeggen dat iedereen hier op DGE geweldige mensen zijn, omdat ik deze zo ervaar, maar dat maakt het nog niet een feit dat iedereen een geweldig persoon is.
Uiteindelijk gaat het er niet om OF Laurens wat denkt of weet, maar WAT hij denkt of weet. En het gaat hier wel degelijk om een mening en daarmee een afweging... Jij vindt het zelf toch ook jammer, Bjørn, dat Laurens niet komt? Hoe wil je Laurens' standpunt dan uitleggen als het niet gaat om een mening?
Laurens wil niet komen omdat het hem niet leuk lijkt. Het niet willen komen is een feit. Het wel of niet leuk zijn van deze dag is een mening. De bewering dat deze dag niet leuk zal zijn, is een aanname. Het niet willen komen is dan ook een afgewogen conclusie en geen logische. |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 23-09-2002 21:17 |
Ach, als ik kom zal Laurens ook wel komen... Ik twijfel daar geen moment aan. |
Bjørn
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- 23-09-2002 21:19 |
Ik ben er wel eens heen geweest! In ieder geval vroeger, toen ik nog op de basisschool zat geloof ik. Ik heb er zelfs nog een soort hoefeizertje op een speltje gekocht, waar ik later natuurlijk nooit wat aan heb gehad.
Sascha, je ziet denk ik 1 ding over het hoofd. Het wel of niet leuk zijn of vinden van het Concours Hippique is niet van belang, Laurens gaat namelijk niet mee omdat hij dènkt dat het niet leuk zal zijn. Dat Laurens dat denkt is gewoon een feit, je kunt niet zeggen "Ik vind niet dat Laurens dat denkt". |
Laurens
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- 24-09-2002 09:06 |
Wat een gezeur! Ik kom gewoon niet! Aaaarg! |
Frode
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- 24-09-2002 22:36 |
Niet op eigen kracht, nee. Wij brengen je wel. |
Laurens
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- 25-09-2002 07:22 |
Ik ga er ook niet meer op in... Ik hou er mee op.
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Nee: ik ga niet!!!! |
Sascha
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- 25-09-2002 22:45 |
Waar zit de fout dan?
Je ne le comprends pas!
Wederom zal ik mijzelf proberen toe te lichten, maar ik heb het gevoel dat ik de hele tijd hetzelfde vertel zonder dat iemand dat kan waarderen :(
Het denken dat het niet leuk zal zijn is inderdaad een feit, maar het zegt niks over het wel of niet leuk zijn van dit evenement. Als Laurens niet mee wil gaan omdat hij DENKT dat dit evenement niet leuk zal zijn, dan lijkt mij dat hij 'denkt' op de manier van 'verwachten' of 'aannemen' dat het niet leuk zal zijn. Laurens heeft geen logische uitleg gegeven om deze stelling te onderbouwen, dus kan uit 'het feit dat er gedacht wordt' geen logische conclusie gehaald worden.
Feit is wel dat Laurens geen fan is van paarden en snollen enzo. Door de aanwezigheid hiervan denkt Laurens dat het niet leuk zal zijn, maar of het echt leuk zal zijn of niet, weet niemand. Misschien wordt er wel een anti-paarden-parfum uitgevonden en worden de paarden bereden door allemaal leuke meiden van 18 jaar ofzo! Omdat er dus niet voor alle mogelijke situaties is aangetoond, dat het niet leuk zal zijn, mag deze conclusie niet getrokken worden. Het feit dat paarden en snollen niet op prijs gesteld worden, betekent wel dat dit evenement door de aanwezigheid hiervan er niet 'leuker' op wordt. Het gaat hier dus om een afweging. Er komen namelijk wel DGE leden en dat is altijd wel leuk.
Als het nu nog niet duidelijker is, dan zal ik het hierna nog 1 keer goed proberen... (en daarna houd ik er het liefst mee op... maar misschien zet ik ook wel door)
Tot slot wil ik nog zeggen dat het best mogelijk is om te zeggen dat ik niet vind dat Laurens dat denkt, of dat ik vind dat Laurens dat niet denkt. Met zo'n uitspraak, trek ik zijn eerlijkheid in twijfel. Deze uitspraak doe ik uit veiligheidsoverwegingen dan ook maar niet. |
Bjørn
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- 26-09-2002 13:39 |
Je kunt niet zeggen dat je vindt dat Laurens het niet denkt, je kunt wel zeggen dat je denkt, of aanneemt, dat Laurens het niet denkt.
Volgens mij kun je uit "Laurens denkt dat het CH niet leuk is" wel een logische conclusie trekken, maar niet uit bijvoorbeeld "waarschijnlijk is het CH niet leuk". Had Laurens dus gezegd: "Ik ga niet naar het CH, want het is waarschijnlijk niet leuk." of "..., want het CH is niet leuk.", dan was het geen logische conclusie geweest aangezien het waarschijnlijk of wel zeker niet leuk zijn van het CH inderdaad een aanname betrof.
Maar natuurlijk wordt het hartstikke leuk, daarom gaan we er met z'n allen heen. (een conclusie uit een aanname) |
Sascha
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- 26-09-2002 14:10 |
De stap tussen het denken dat het niet leuk is en het niet gaan, laat ik nu heel eventjes met rust. Als Laurens denkt dat het niet leuk zal zijn, kan hij dat dan ergens logisch op baseren? Nope, hij kan het hooguit afwegen.
En nu laten we die stap niet meer met rust... Aannemende dat het een logische stap is, dan moet de preconditie wel logisch waar zijn. En dan komen we op een simpel probleem... Hoe moeten we die preconditie lezen? De preconditie bestaat namelijk uit twee zinnen. Er is namelijk niemand die zal beweren dat Laurens liegt als hij zegt dat hij denkt dat het niet leuk zal zijn. Maar waar gaat het hier om? Dat Laurens in staat is te denken, of dat hij verwacht (aangenomen heeft) dat het niet leuk is?
Inderdaad, het gaat om het laatste. En nu zal ook niemand beweren dat Laurens liegt wanneer hij verwacht dat het niet leuk zal zijn, maar wanneer Laurens aanneemt dat het niet leuk is, dan zijn er genoeg mensen die daar tegenin gaan. Kijk maar hierboven. Dus als we vanuit de preconditie een paar stapjes terug kijken, dan zien we dat Laurens logisch gezien niet aan mag nemen dat het CH niet leuk zal zijn, waardoor de preconditie niet als waar mag worden verondersteld. |
Laurens
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- 26-09-2002 14:46 |
(..)en worden de paarden bereden door allemaal leuke meiden van 18 jaar ofzo(..)
Ik heb heel duidelijk gezegd dat niet ALLE paardrij dames snollen zijn. |
Sascha
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- 26-09-2002 16:51 |
Inderdaad, maar dat is nog steeds minder positief dan mijn niet-realistisch geschetste situatie. |
Bjørn
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- 30-09-2002 23:41 |
Wat betreft de logische conclusie, het hangt er dus maar vanaf hoe je de zin interpreteerd. Redelijkerwijs is aan te nemen dat het inderdaad gaat om de laatste optie (Laurens trekt de conclusie uit de aanname), maar zoals het er staat is de zin net zo goed op de eerste manier te interpreteren (Laurens trekt de conclusie uit het denken van de aanname).
Snollen of geen snollen, in sommige weilanden groeien knollen. |
Sascha
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- 01-10-2002 00:06 |
En wat ik nou juist probeer te zeggen is dat hoe je het wendt of keert, het in alle gevallen voortkomt uit een aanname.
En nog wel een aanname waarvan wij gaan bewijzen dattie onjuist is! |
Laurens
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- 01-10-2002 07:32 |
Aaarg! |
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