| Avondje ter ere van Pi |
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Georg
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- 22-02-2002 21:12 |
| Als we i.v.m. Pi-dag een avondje organiseren, wie zijn er dan allemaal van de partij? |
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- 22-02-2002 21:14 |
| ik niet |
Dr. Ramon
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- 22-02-2002 21:14 |
Even voor alle duidelijkheid: De PiCie zal uiteraard voltallig aanwezig zijn. Dat zijn:
-Georg
-Bjørn
-Laurens
-Ramon |
Sascha
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- 22-02-2002 21:15 |
I'll be there too!
2084 = 2 x 2 x 521 |
Georg
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- 22-02-2002 21:25 |
Edwin is vast ook wel van de partij.
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Nou Sascha, factoriseer eens 2^(2^5) + 1 = 2^32 + 1. |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 22-02-2002 21:34 |
| Ik wil best komen maar ik hoop niet dat er geslingerd gaat worden met formules. Daar ben ik allergisch voor (ik snap ze namelijk nooit) |
Georg
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- 22-02-2002 21:53 |
We moeten het gebruik van formules natuurlijk zoveel mogelijk beperken. Het heeft weinig zin dingen te vertellen die niet begrepen worden.
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- 22-02-2002 22:10 |
| Ik vind dat je alles zoveel mogelijk moet visualiseren met cirkels |
Laurens
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- 23-02-2002 10:27 |
Circels, of sinusoiden natuurlijk!
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Bericht 2121: De uitvinder van de eenrichtingsteletijdmachine worden door een tijdreiziger uit de toekomst in 2070 vermoord. |
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- 23-02-2002 10:43 |
Ja... Ik vind uberhaupt dat het gebruik van formules op aarde verboden zou moeten worden...
Maar ja... in 2127 schaffen ze dat verbod toch weer af... dus we kunnen het ook wel zo laten voorlopig. |
Georg
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- 23-02-2002 11:01 |
Formules verbieden?!
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- 23-02-2002 11:33 |
| Ja verbieden ja! |
Laurens
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- 23-02-2002 14:17 |
Ojee, hier spreekt een econoom... Jij denkt zeker alleen in debet en credit? De wereld draait om de wetenschap! Zonder de wetenschap zou er niet eens van die stomme economen zijn. En waar wetenschap is, daar zijn de wetten de natuur. En laten die wetten nou mooi in wiskundige formules/beschrijvingen te formuleren zijn. Wil je graag weer terug naar het stenen tijdperk? ik namelijk niet.
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- 23-02-2002 14:37 |
Echte economen hebben meer formules dan je denkt...
maar ik ben geen echte econoom... en trouwens waarom zijn economen stom?? Ik word hier wel veel aangevallen op deze fora zeg... houden jullie niet van buitenstaanders?
De wereld draait alleen om de wetenschap dat ik geen formules nodig wil hebben! |
Georg
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- 23-02-2002 17:05 |
Ik heb nooit gezegd dat economen stom zijn. We pakken elke nieuwkomer eerst keihard aan. Het is een soort ontgroening. Tjonge ja, ik weet nog wel toen ik hier nieuw was. Het was op een gegeven moment niet leuk meer.
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... en meteen weer ontstaat. |
Frode
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- 23-02-2002 17:38 |
Noem er eens een paar, Georg... mischien kunnen we er nogsteeds van genieten. :)
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Het sneeuwt buiten |
Georg
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- 23-02-2002 19:45 |
Het zijn nogal pijnlijke herinneringen.
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Het stormt buiten. |
Laurens
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- 23-02-2002 21:13 |
En ik ben de enige hier die nog altijd de lul is heb ik zo'n idee.
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Sascha
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- 24-02-2002 02:39 |
| Ja Laurens, inderdaad! Volgens mij kan Georg het helemaal niet bij Laurens halen... Sorry Georg, maar je doet volgens mij gewoon niet je best! Jantje, daarintegen, is wel aardig op weg... Hij mist talent, maar leert snel.. Ik vraag me af of hij Laurens kan evenaren... De tijd zal het (misschien) leren... |
Sascha
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- 24-02-2002 02:44 |
En oh ja! 2^32 + 1 = 4294967297, zo uit het hoofd.. (klopt hooplijk wel..) Maar dat doet er opt moment niet echt toe.. Dat je dat vraagt, suggereert al dat het gaat om een priemgetal. Nu had ik mijn factoriseriingsproggie keurig voor integers geschreven. (in ongeveer 1 minuut, lang leve basic) Maar dit paste niet! Dus ik alles aanpassen voor strings, wat heel vaak die ene minuut heeft gekost, word ik tijdens het testen en debuggen lastig gevallen door iemand op msn, dus de command prompt springt automatisch weg, ik klik m terug, hij springt weer weg, ik klik m terug, hij springt weg en ik heb een blauw scherm, zonder geseeft te hebben...
De moraal van dit verhaal is:
Als je niet te laat uit bed wilt komen, gebruik dan je wekker!
(... nooit gezegd dat het een goede moraal zou zijn!)
Maar goed, nu heb ik ergens een lijst met alle priemgetallen onder de 100 miljoen, 70 Mb uitgepakt, alleen kan ik die nergens vinden op mun harde schijfje... Maar ik gok erop dat het een priemgetal is... Klopt dat? |
Georg
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- 24-02-2002 11:11 |
| Nee, helaas. Getallen van de vorm 2^(2^n) + 1zijn de zogenaamde Fermat getallen. Fermat vermoedde dat al deze getallen priem waren. Euler (geloof ik) liet zien dat 4.294.967.297 deelbaar is door 641. |
Sascha
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- 24-02-2002 11:45 |
ow.. nou ja owkay, als je nog een leuk getal hebt, houd ik me aanbevolen... :)
Nu ik trouwes gewoon 'deflng a-z' door 'defdbl a-z' heb vervangen, doet mijn proggie niet moeilijk over grote getallen en moet ik concluderen dat Euler juist was. 641 is dus een priemfactor, en wat er overblijft, 6700417, is ook een priemgetal.
Wat is basic toch weer heerlijk primitief... |
Sascha
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- 24-02-2002 11:59 |
Toch ben ik dan wel benieuwd naar die Fermat... "Fermat vermoedde dat al deze getallen priem waren." Wat zijn al deze getallen? 2^n+1? Dan zou'ie bij n = 3 al een probleem moeten krijgen... Waren ze toen nog zo slecht in hoofdrekenen ofzo?
Ik zie maar zeer weinig n waarvoor dit een priemgetal oplevert... Dit zijn de factoren bij 1 <= n <= 52 :)
3 = 3
5 = 5
9 = 3 * 3
17 = 17
33 = 3 * 11
65 = 5 * 13
129 = 3 * 43
257 = 257
513 = 3 * 3 * 3 * 19
1025 = 5 * 5 * 41
2049 = 3 * 683
4097 = 17 * 241
8193 = 3 * 2731
16385 = 5 * 29 * 113
32769 = 3 * 3 * 11 * 331
65537 = 65537
131073 = 3 * 43691
262145 = 5 * 13 * 37 * 109
524289 = 3 * 174763
1048577 = 17 * 61681
2097153 = 3 * 3 * 43 * 5419
4194305 = 5 * 397 * 2113
8388609 = 3 * 2796203
16777217 = 97 * 257 * 673
33554433 = 3 * 11 * 251 * 4051
67108865 = 5 * 53 * 157 * 1613
134217729 = 3 * 3 * 3 * 3 * 19 * 87211
268435457 = 17 * 15790321
536870913 = 3 * 59 * 3033169
1073741825 = 5 * 5 * 13 * 41 * 61 * 1321
2147483649 = 3 * 715827883
4294967297 = 641 * 6700417
8589934593 = 3 * 3 * 67 * 683 * 20857
17179869185 = 5 * 137 * 953 * 26317
34359738369 = 3 * 11 * 43 * 281 * 86171
68719476737 = 17 * 241 * 433 * 38737
137438953473 = 3 * 1777 * 25781083
274877906945 = 5 * 229 * 457 * 525313
549755813889 = 3 * 3 * 2731 * 22366891
1099511627777 = 257 * 4278255361
2199023255553 = 3 * 83 * 8831418697
4398046511105 = 5 * 13 * 29 * 113 * 1429 * 14449
8796093022209 = 3 * 2932031007403
17592186044417 = 17 * 353 * 2931542417
35184372088833 = 3 * 3 * 3 * 11 * 19 * 331 * 18837001
70368744177665 = 5 * 277 * 1013 * 1657 * 30269
140737488355329 = 3 * 283 * 165768537521
281474976710657 = 193 * 65537 * 22253377
562949953421313 = 3 * 43 * 4363953127297
1125899906842625 = 5 * 5 * 5 * 41 * 101 * 8101 * 268501
2251799813685249 = 3 * 3 * 307 * 2857 * 6529 * 43691
4503599627370497 = 17 * 858001 * 308761441
(n >= 53 geeft afrondingsfouten, maar als er mensen zijn die ze graag willen zien, laat het weten, dan mail ik ze binnenkort wel!) |
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- 24-02-2002 12:21 |
| AAARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH FOR-FUCKING-MULES!!!! |
Laurens
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- 24-02-2002 14:12 |
| Heb je dit in basic gedaan? Goh, dat dat taaltje nog word gebruikt. Ging het dan niet relatief bakke-traag? |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 24-02-2002 14:47 |
| Wat is er mis met BASIC? Dat is de enige taal waar ik in kan programmeren... Jaja, ik heb vroeger geprogrammeerd. Maar nu ben ik gelukkig weer op het rechte pad. :-) |
Georg
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- 24-02-2002 14:55 |
| Fermat getallen zijn van de vorm 2^(2^n) + 1. n=5 is de eerste die niet priem is. |
Laurens
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- 24-02-2002 15:11 |
Heb jij geprogrammeerd Edwin? Sjonge! Dat wist ik niet (meer). Goh, en wat heb je allemaal gemaakt? Ik kan me jou echt niet voorstellen achter een PC en programmerend. Hahaha, grappig... Geen wonder dat je je altijd zo zit aftezetten tegen alles wat met informatica te mken heeft: diep in je hard weet je gewoon dat je het hartstikke leuk vind, maar dat durf je niet te te geven.
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Bericht 2208: geen priemgetal. |
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- 24-02-2002 15:16 |
| zucht |
Dr. Ramon
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- 24-02-2002 16:22 |
Geachte Scylla,
Berichten die uit slechts één zin bestaan, of erger nog, uit één woord, leveren van oudsher de poster dezes het predikaat 'KzK' op. Hetgeen staat voor (mocht dat nu nog niet duidelijk zijn): Kip zonder Kop. Daar was u echter al wel van op de hoogte. Dit predikaat kan ernstige psychische consequenties hebben, zoals wij helaas hebben moeten meemaken met voormalig lid Laurens. Ik zou u dan ook vriendelijk alsmede dringend willen verzoeken, uw berichten iets meer cachet en inhoud te geven.
Met vriendelijke groet,
Ramon. |
Laurens
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- 24-02-2002 17:03 |
Geachte heer Ramon,
Daar ik laatst uw bericht las, met betrekking tot mijn client, dhr Laurens, wil ik u op het volgende wijzen: mijn client is nog steeds lid. Hij is nu alleen lid onder een andere naam. Ziet u, hij was namelijk een beetje aan het flippen toen hij bij mij kwam. Hij gaat nu door het leven als zijn, voorheen onderdrukte, alter-ego "Dark Lord Laurens". Deze persoonlijkheid kan omschreven worden als "type 1: levensgevaarlijk".
Dank voor uw aandacht,
F. Ankestein,
Psychiater.
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Onder het motto: "als we toch bezig zijn...." |
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 24-02-2002 17:25 |
| Ik heb nog een hele directory vol met eigengemaakte GW-Basic en QBasic programma's. Ik heb best aardige dingen gemaakt al zeg ik het zelf! Ik kon vroeger zelfs beter programmeren dan Bjørn maar die heeft me later flink ingehaald. |
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- 24-02-2002 17:40 |
ok
(reactie op ramon) |
Laurens
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- 24-02-2002 17:57 |
| Beter dan Bjørno? Tjonge! Wie had dat nou ooit gedacht? Nou ik wil die proggies wel eens hebben! |
Jasper
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- 24-02-2002 18:26 |
| ik heb ooit nog wel es verhalen gehoord van een legendarisch spelletje dat edwin heeft geprogrammeerd. Dat ging over james bond geloof ik, en dan moest je 2x een getal goed raden en dan had je gewonnen. Goed voor jaaaaaaren speel plezier |
Georg
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- 24-02-2002 20:15 |
| Dat waren leuke tijden. Laurens heeft ook nog van die grappige spelletjes geprogrammeerd. En Rinke en Douwe ook. |
Laurens
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- 24-02-2002 21:26 |
| Ja, al die spelletjes van mij! Ik weet nog de tijd dat we op mijn kamer omstebeurten een spelletje maakten op mijn 286. Het ging over van alles, hamsters, wraakacties etc etc.! ik heb ze nog op een opude hardeschijf staan... Het enige probleem is dat ik die hardeschijf nergens meer aan kan aansluiten :'( |
Sascha
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- 24-02-2002 22:33 |
Arme harde schijf...
Basic, en dan met name QuickBasic, is ideaal om even binnen 1 minuutje iets simpels uit te rekenen, eigenlijk net als matlab, met het verschil dat qb sneller opstart en eenvoudiger is om mee te werken. Basic gaat, hoewel je dat misschien niet zou verwachten, retesnel! Natuurlijk gaat het veeeeeel langzamer dan andere talen, maar als je supersnel iets programmeert, dan is het meestal toch niet zo belangrijk of het nu een halve seconde of 10 secondes duurt.
Omdat iedereen nu weer een beetje jeugdsentiment ophaalt, stel ik voor om zelfgemaakte basic programmaatjes hier op DGE beschikbaar te stellen!
Onder mijn beste programma's hoort een pc speaker tracker die 4 channels aankan... Het is de tweede generatie uit een anderhalf-generatie-durend project. De tweede was nog niet geschikt om te tracken. Hoewel het target platform msdos op een 286 was, leek het me toch wel leuk om er een spectrum analyser in te zetten. Als iemand dat programma nog heeft, zou ik hem graag ontvangen, aangezien hij mij mij verloren is gegaan... :'( |
Bjørn
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- 24-02-2002 23:22 |
Sascha, je hebt mij je SSM Tracker een keer gestuurd en hij was zo geweldig dat hij nog steeds op m'n harde schijf staat. Aan de source kan ik je helaas niet helpen, maar volgens mij was je die toen al kwijt... :'(
Ik heb ook nog Warmen, je character-based RPG. Daar zit wel de BAS file bij.
Wat betreft onze programmaatjes op DGE... is het een idee daar een apart onderwerp aan te wijden waarop we kort onze programma's kunnen toelichten met een download link erbij? Een aparte sectie op DGE lijkt me namelijk niet nodig. |
Sascha
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- 24-02-2002 23:32 |
| Ja dat kan natuurlijk ook, maar dan krijgen we er natuurlijk weer fanmail-commentaar bij en raakt de boel verzadigd voordat iedereen zijn proggies heeft kunnen posten... Maar met een beetje goed fatsoen moet het wel lukken! |
Sascha
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- 24-02-2002 23:41 |
Sja... Wederom ben ik erg teleurgesteld in Windows XP... Met ME kon je nog vrolijk ongelimiteerd supersnel QuickBasicen... maar onder xp... Sja... niks werkt meer!
* Geen SVGA, want dat resulteert in een blauw scherm. (nu heeft de geforce 2 gts die ik heb sowieso geen primitieve vesa compatibiliteit meer, maar het zuigt wel!)
* Geen lange bestandsnaam ondersteuning
* Minderbetrouwbare snelheid! Onder Me was de snelheid al onregelmatig (7% afwijking van gemiddeld, gemeten in 20e secondes), maar onder xp weet je nooit wat je krijgt!
* Geen ondersteuning voor digitaal geluid
* Midi gaf ook problemen
Zo heb ik net ook tot mijn spijt moeten ervaren dat mijn SSM Tracker 2.0 erg onaangenaam klinkt in de spectrum analyser en dat er soms extreme vertragingen optreden en dat 4 channel niet zuiver klinkt... Erg jammer...
Er zijn vast wel meer klaagpunten, maar die kan ik zo snel niet meer voor de geest halen... |
Laurens
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- 25-02-2002 09:03 |
Meid, ik leef met je mee... NOT!
Maak dan ook nog een DOS-boot partitie en je bent weer blij. Je kan niet altijd in het verleden blijven leven. Stap dan over op Pascal. Da's ook een leuk taaltje wat een beetje lijkt op basic. Je kan er ook snel in programmeren en het werkt perfect onder XP. |
Sascha
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- 25-02-2002 12:17 |
| Dos boot partitie? No way, ik kan geen bit missen van mijn main partitie van 100 Gb... Wel heb ik nog een 300 Mb hard schijfje, speciaal voor dos... Maar net zoals jij, DLL, moet ik de dosdrivers voor de sblive nog steeds eens kopiejeren. En pascal is lang zo leuk niet als basic! |
Laurens
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- 25-02-2002 13:15 |
| Oja, die drivers wil ik ook nog eens hebben.... Ne ePascal is leuker dan basic... Pascal is niet zo basic als Basic ;-) |
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- 25-02-2002 17:03 |
| Geef mij maar Delphi (object pascal ofzo)... dat snap ik tenminste |
Laurens
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- 25-02-2002 17:24 |
Ik zeg niet dat pascal mijn favo taaltje is, ik zeg alleen dat het een basic alternatief is.
Delphi ben ik ooit eens meebegonnen, maar op dit moment vind ik Java erg leuk. |
Dr. Ramon
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- 25-02-2002 17:26 |
Java! Hoera! Ja, dat is ook mijn taal. De enige taal die ik ook ken... :-S
En voor mij was het natuurlijk een logische keuze. Per slot van rekening ga je natuurlijk altijd programmeren in de taal die vernoemd is naar het eiland waar je geboren bent.
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Ramonrik |
Laurens
Warning: strtotime(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /var/www/html/includes/functions.php on line 24
Warning: strftime(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /var/www/html/includes/functions.php on line 24
- 25-02-2002 17:30 |
In ons hart zijn we allemaal we een beetje geboren op Java.
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Flores-Jan |
Dr. Ramon
Warning: strtotime(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /var/www/html/includes/functions.php on line 24
Warning: strftime(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /var/www/html/includes/functions.php on line 24
- 25-02-2002 17:35 |
Ahhh... Ik voel me helemaal warm worden van binnen. Wat een genegenheid hier, op dit DGE forum! Fantastisch!
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Java... of toch liever Flores? |
No name
Warning: strtotime(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /var/www/html/includes/functions.php on line 24
Warning: strftime(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected the timezone 'UTC' for now, but please set date.timezone to select your timezone. in /var/www/html/includes/functions.php on line 24
- 26-02-2002 02:03 |
| Ik ben in Delphi geboren... mooie stad. |
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