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- 25-06-2002 17:30  
Bjørn is weer helemaal in de ban van de schuifpuzzels, en goed voorbeeld doet volgen!

Een paar kernpunten:
* 5x5 schuifpuzzel
* 600 prijzen
* iedereen mag meedoen
* gratis
* zo vaak als je wilt


Mag ik jullie verwijzen naar:

Highscores:
http://www.pcactive.nl/150/highscore/
De puzzel (java):
http://213.46.48.19:82/PC-Active%20puzzel/
Of als je 'm zelf wilt hebben:
http://213.46.48.19:82/PC-Active%20puzzel/PC-Active puzzel.rar
(opstarten via pcactive0207.html)

De puzzel is alleen beschikbaar wanneer mijn computer aanstaat.

Doe mee! Bjørn moet verslagen worden (met zijn meest opmerkelijke tijden)!
Zonder programma, dus gewoon met menselijk puzzelen, ben ik tot de 13e plaats gekomen en het kan nog beter.

Let er wel op dat je geen slechte resultaten opstuurt; alleen de laatste wordt onthouden, dus niet de beste.
Bjørn
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- 25-06-2002 21:13  
Dankjewel Sascha, nu gaan natuurlijk alle Gouden Emmer vrienden meeconcurreren... help!

Vanaf vanavond sta ik 2e plaats! In 78 zetten de puzzel opgelost.
Sascha
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- 25-06-2002 23:34  
Ik heb het nog niet gezien... maar ik ben al bang voor de tijd die ervoor staat!

Als het om tijd en efficiëntie gaat, zal ik je met mijn programma met gemak passeren... Ik ben er wel achter dat dit in c veel makkelijker gaat... om maar niet over de snelheid te spreken... Maar ik verwacht dat de puzzel sneller opgelost kan worden met mijn programma, dan zonder... En ja, dan is het in quickbasic geprogrammeerd... Ik gebruik namelijk geen brute force, maar een soort van boomstructuur, waarin ik een kortste pad algoritme uitvoer... Uiteindelijk zou het met 4^3 berekeningen wel opgelost moeten kunnen worden, maar het daadwerkelijk achterhalen van het pad, kan wel een minuut duren, verwacht ik zo...

Mooie beloftes he? Nu ik ze bekend maak, moet ik nog zeker gaan proberen om ze waar te maken ook!

Oh ja.. met de hand moet het ook wel mogelijk zijn om in de top10 te komen... Als ik het een hele middag (6 uur) vol zou houden, verwacht ik er wel in te staan. En natuurlijk verwacht ik van alle andere leden dat ze het ook gaan proberen!
Bjørn
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- 26-06-2002 01:02  
Natuurlijk laat ik me door deze grote beloftes niet zomaar van m'n stuk slaan, maar klikkersgewijs zal ik niet veel minder kunnen dan 300 zetten. Daarom ben ik nog altijd aan het proberen mijn programma te verbeteren. Jammer genoeg gaat dit wel ten koste van tijd die eigenlijk in Statistiek en een verslag gestopt moet worden...

Edit: Er wordt nu ook een tweede wedstrijd gehouden om het beste en vooral snelste oplosprogramma! Ziehier:
http://www.pcactive.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=775
Of hier ook prijzen mee te winnen zijn is nog onbekend.
Dr. Ramon
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- 26-06-2002 01:20  
Prioriteiten stellen, Bjørn! De studie gaat voor de fun. Eerst studeren, dan puzzelen. Dat is wel een goed advies aan mijzelf eigenlijk ook.
Bjørn
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- 26-06-2002 01:22  
Dank je Ramon voor dit goede advies.
Dr. Ramon
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- 26-06-2002 01:25  
Graag gedaan hoor! Ik ben niet te beroerd om mensen van tijd tot tijd van advies te voorzien. Later ga ik er waarschijnlijk mijn beroep van maken, maar ja, dan worden het meteen weer van die zware adviezen...:
"Jantje, waarom doe jij niet mee met gym?"
"Mag niet meneer de gymleraar, op dokters advies"

(Overigens is de naam Jantje hier geheel fictief, en welke overeenkomst dan ook met bestaande personen berust geheel op toeval. Het had net zo goed om Piet kunnen gaan. Of Klaas. Of... Nou ja, u begrijpt me wel. Het ging erom dat de boodschap overkwam - de naam was slechts een instrument)
Sascha
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- 26-06-2002 01:35  
Verslag? VERSLAG??? Wat voor verslag? Ik dacht dat het trimester was afgelopen? Wat mis ik?

En dat tentamen vrijdag kan nooit zo moeilijk zijn... hoop ik...

Inmiddels ben ik erachter gekomen dat basic onder XP niet zo snel is als ik hoopte... En onder DOS kan ik niet bij mijn NTFS harde schijf... maar goed, we komen er wel... En dan ben ik lekker veel sneller dan alle concurrenten! na na nana na!

Enneuh Bjørn... Zou je trouwes wel enkele puzzels die jij oplost kunnen bewaren en daarbij het aantal zetten voor de oplossing? Mijn programma kan wel snel antwoord geven, maar als het simpelweg meer zetten kost, dan heb ik er niks aan; daarom zou het wel prettig zijn om te kunnen vergelijken.
Georg
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- 26-06-2002 15:30  
Ah, het bewuste verslag. Ik denk dat wanneer je mij lief aankijkt dat je best het verslag van Laurens, Jan en mij mag lenen. Dat verslag was goed voor een 9.
Sascha
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- 26-06-2002 16:13  
... wat voor verslag... ?

Oh ja Frode, i kicked your ass! En dat geheel op eigen kracht en dus zonder programma!

Woohoo!
Georg
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- 26-06-2002 16:51  
Het verslag betreft de eindopdracht van het vak Statistiek voor Beta's. Van Bjorn weet ik in elk geval dat hij deze nog niet uitgewerkt en ingeleverd heeft. Natuurlijk mag jij (Sascha) ook het verslag lenen om je eigen antwoorden te controleren. Niet om over te schrijven uiteraard, want zo werkt het niet.
Sascha
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- 26-06-2002 17:03  
Oei... dat is ook nog zo... aiaiaiai das nie zo fijn... Bedankt voor deze herinnering! Waar zou ik geweest zijn zonder De Gouden Emmer... =D
Bjørn
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- 26-06-2002 20:42  
Sascha, ik heb het nog steeds over het verslag dat wij samen met Matthieu moeten maken voor ITBB.

Wat!? Moet ik ook nog een verslag voor Statistiek gaan maken!?

En Sascha, gefeliciteerd met je 9e plaats! Handmatig nog wel. Wat een prestatie. Ik zal mijn volgende oplossing bewaren, want tot nu toe heb ik dat nog niet gedaan.
Frode
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- 27-06-2002 00:26  
Hij staat ondertussen alweer 11e, hoor. >:|)
Bjørn staat een stuk hoger... 1e!
Sascha
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- 27-06-2002 14:07  
Wauw! Gefeliciteerd Bjørn! Deze prestatie is van alle DGE leden wel een applaus waard! Maar schiet wel op, want straks sta ik 1e... misschien...
En die verslagen... sja... Dat wordt leuk!
Dr. Ramon
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- 27-06-2002 16:19  
Ja, ik had Bjørn al gefeliciteerd. Ik blijf het nog steeds een bijzondere prestatie vinden! Chapeau.
Bjørn
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- 27-06-2002 22:25  
Een mooie prestatie zeker, maar de gevonden oplossing was 61 zetten... er ging alleen drie keer iets mis bij het invoeren. :-(
Gelukkig is ook 64 nog steeds goed genoeg, maar daar zal wel snel verandering in komen gezien ontwikkelingen van anderen.
Sascha
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- 27-06-2002 23:18  
Ja maar vergeet niet dat wanneer anderen ontwikkelen, jij dat zelf ook kunt... op zich... Mag ik trouwesn gelijk mijn diensten aanbieden als fanatiek tester van jouw programma? ;)
Laurens
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- 28-06-2002 10:19  
Wat een gedoe over een schuifpuzzel.... Tjonge...

Dit gaat toch niet ten koste van de studie mensen?
Sascha
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- 28-06-2002 13:14  
Don't ever let school get in the way of your education...
Laurens
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- 28-06-2002 15:40  
Nou, ik zie je nog wel als ik mijn studiepunten van Statistiek binnen heb, en jij een opgeloste schuifpuzzel.
Bjørn
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- 28-06-2002 20:07  
Mijn programma is voor de hele wereld beschikbaar vanaf na 22 augustus. :-)
Ik zie trouwens dat ik al niet meer eerste sta. Daar moet natuurlijk nog wat aan gebeuren, maar dat stel ik nog een paar weken uit.
Laurens
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- 28-06-2002 22:52  
Tjonge, een paar weken.. Ben je er zo zat van dan? Kan ik me best voorstellen.
Sascha
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- 29-06-2002 00:16  
Zat? Puzzels? Je weet niet waar je het over hebt! Het is een hobby, uitgegroeid tot een obsessie, uitgegroeid tot een fulltime baan, uitgegroeid tot een levenswijze, uitgegroeid tot een fiasco als het gaat om statistiek en jij denkt dan te kunnen spreken over het zat zijn van???

Helaas, je zit er naast.
Laurens
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- 29-06-2002 08:57  
Ik had het over zat zijn van, omdat Bjørn het er over had dat hij pas over een paar weken er mee verder gaat.

whoohoo, ik ga statistiek gewoon halen denk ik. Ik snap er best veel van! Whoohooo!
Dr. Ramon
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- 29-06-2002 11:46  
Bjørn ging er pas over een paar weken mee verder omdat hij eerst statistiek ging doen en daarna meteen op vakantie ging.
Laurens
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- 29-06-2002 11:49  
Ah, ok, dan weet ik dat ook alweer!
Dr. Ramon
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- 29-06-2002 12:15  
Ja! Tenminste, dat is wat Bjørn me vertelde.
Georg
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- 29-06-2002 16:00  
Ik hoop dat Bjorn het hele weekend besteedt aan Statistiek. Dat is denk ik wel nodig...
Frode
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- 29-06-2002 21:27  
Ik denk niet dat hij dat doet. :)
Hij heeft vandaag wel zitten leren, maar hij is ook al twee keer online geweest en zelfs NFS 3 gedaan!
Maar morgen is er nog een dag.
Dr. Ramon
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- 29-06-2002 21:32  
Is Bjørn soms serieus aan het SOGgen? Nou ja, twee keer online valt nog mee. Maar NFS 3... dat vergt toch wat meer tijd.
Laurens
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- 30-06-2002 09:52  
Over statistiek gesproken: ik ga zo ook maar weer eens beginnen....

Gelukkig ken ik het al goed.
Dr. Ramon
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- 30-06-2002 17:42  
Was je ook aan het SOGgen? In principe is het zelfs mogelijk een tentamen te halen als je SOGt. Ik heb het vrijdag bewezen.

Gelukkig wel. Speel je nog veel Playstation tussendoor?
Laurens
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- 30-06-2002 17:58  
Nee, ik speel geen Playstation tussendoor... Ik heb vandaag namelijk mijn PC een beetje op orde gebracht. ik heb dus niet meer geleerd, want ik ken het nu wel. Nou ja, ik ken het genoeg om een voldoende te halen, en daar gaat het allemaal om niet waar?
Dr. Ramon
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- 30-06-2002 18:00  
Inderdaad, daar gaat het om! Het gaat alleen maar om het halen van een hoog cijfer in de volgende gevallen:
- Je moet voorgaande slechte cijfers compenseren
- Je wilt per se cum laude slagen en bent al vanaf het begin van je studie hard bezig om hoge cijfers te scoren.
Laurens
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- 30-06-2002 18:02  
Ad. 1: Nee dat hoef ik niet in dit geval.
Ad. 2: Nuh, dat vind ik niet nodig.

Dus een 5.5 of hoger is perfect! Whoohoo!
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- 01-07-2002 12:38  
Ik schoof die puzzel al na 3 minuten (aan de kant)
Laurens
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- 01-07-2002 14:13  
Ik schoof de puzzel al na 0 minuten aan de kant, want ik heb er nog nooit naar gekeken.
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- 01-07-2002 15:16  
Ik heb een programma geschreven wat de puzzel binnen 2 tot 3 minuten oplost. Sascha heeft het wel... mocht je belangstelling hebben
Laurens
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- 01-07-2002 15:43  
Nuh, dan is de hele fun van zo'n puzzel weg. Het is toch juist leuk als je het zelf oplost?

Maar ja, het is natuurlijk ook leuk om er een programmaatje voor te schrijven.
No name
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- 01-07-2002 16:35  
Inderdaad... vooral ook omdat mijn proggie superieur is
Laurens
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- 01-07-2002 16:46  
oh god... Heb jij een Uber proggie gemaakt? Nee, wacht, ik zal het anders zeggen: "Hast du einen UberProgramma fabrisiert?" (Duits is vast niet grammaticaal correct vrees ik, maar het gaat om het idee [voor het geval men daar weer over gaat zeuren]).

Je denkt toch niet dat ik moet geloven dat jou programma, notabene van iemand die een alfa studie doet, beter is dan die van Sascha of die van Bjørn, alle twee ras echte nerds? Dat geloof ik echt niet.. Je brengt je geleerde theorie in practijk: gebakken lucht verkopen!

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Oei, dit was zeker beneden de gordel... Mijn excuus. (6)
( heh heh heh heh )
Bjørn
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- 01-07-2002 19:48  
Ik geloof er ook niks van dat dat programmaatje beter zou zijn. Hier wil ik een beter programma definieren als een programma dat een kortere route vindt. Ik geloof er niks van dat jou programma ook de optimale route vindt in die 2 tot 3 minuten. Een route van bijvoorbeeld 250 zetten schijnt niet zo moeilijk te vinden te zijn als je alle stukjes als het ware als robotjes ziet die naar hun bestemming willen... ofzo.
Laurens
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- 01-07-2002 22:50  
Robotjes? Waarom niet spaceships die naar hun thuis planeet willen?

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Waarom in ****naam robotjes??
Sascha
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- 02-07-2002 00:19  
**** = Rons?
Georg
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- 02-07-2002 00:47  
Hahaha.
No name
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- 02-07-2002 09:11  
Tja... ik wil niet opscheppen, maar het werkt wel. Sascha kan je wel een demo geven, als je dat wilt.
Laurens
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- 02-07-2002 10:55  
Jij wilt niet opscheppen, maar je doet het toch?
Bjørn
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- 02-07-2002 19:34  
Ik beweerde toch niet dat je programma niet werkte? Ik beweerde alleen dat hij in zo'n korte tijd nooit de kortste route kon vinden. En als dat wel zo is, waarom zie ik dan jou noch Sascha in de highscore lijst?
Dr. Ramon
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- 02-07-2002 19:54  
Ga je wel weer proberen terug te komen op de eerste plaats, Bjørn? Je was vandaag verstoten door Rob The
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- 02-07-2002 20:55  
Ik ga pas op de laatste speeldag mijn highscore toevoegen.
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- 02-07-2002 21:03  
én ja DLL, ik wil het niet, maar ik doe het toch, soort dierlijke neiging van me
Bjørn
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- 02-07-2002 21:49  
Scylla, dat is flauw! Je bent dus eigenlijk gewoon bang dat iemand je toch zal verbeteren...

Ik heb mijn deelname aan de puzzel even uitgesteld alleen maar omdat ik er zo zat van was en omdat het mijn normale leven in de weg begon te staan. Aansluitend ben ik op vakantie. Na onze vakantie ben ik weer terug in de strijd.
Laurens
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- 03-07-2002 09:45  
...omdat het mijn normale leven in de weg begon te staan ...

Je normale leven bestaat toch uit programmeren, of heb ik het nou mis?

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- 03-07-2002 17:40  
Ja beetje flauw...
Laurens
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- 03-07-2002 20:42  
Wat nou? Het is toch zo? Correct me when I'm wrong Bjørn!
Bjørn
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- 04-07-2002 00:54  
Volgens mij gaf hij toe dat het inderdaad flauw was om tot het eind te wachten met inzenden, en had hij het niet over jou berichtje Laurens.

Mijn normale leven bestaat voor een groot deel uit programmeren, maar 5 dagen achtereen alleen maar aan een schuifpuzzel denken stond mijn normale programmeergedrag wel in de weg.
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