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Kaper 11/9 zat mogelijk in Leek op school
Dr. Ramon
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- 02-07-2005 21:34  
Terrorisme dicht bij huis! Het dichtst nog bij Laurens' huis. Gelukkig voor de meeste mensen hier niet op hun school.

http://www.gic.nl/VerlengdBericht.asp?ali=24847&katern=1
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- 03-07-2005 10:19  
Dat is nog eens nieuws!

Zie je wel! Al de linkserds van DGE zaten daar op school en nu ook de extremisten!

;)
Dr. Ramon
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- 03-07-2005 19:19  
Ik zat er niet op school, maar ik ben dan wel weer in de groostste moslim-natie ter wereld geboren. Ik hoop dat dat weer wat goed maakt.
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 04-07-2005 10:16  
Ik zat er dus vlakbij op school. Theoretisch zou ik hem dus tegengekomen kunnen zijn! Gaaf!
Frode
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- 05-07-2005 00:22  
Woooow... en ik zit zelfs nog op RSG De Borgen, het terroristennest van Nederland.
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 05-07-2005 09:35  
Krijg je daar in plaats van Engels en Natuurkunde vakken als Bommen maken en Vliegtuigen besturen?

Hahaha
Dr. Ramon
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- 06-07-2005 21:05  
Haha, wat een leuke grappen zeg!
Frode
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- 07-07-2005 00:11  
Edwin, is dat niet gewoon de vakken natuur- en scheikunde een andere naam geven?
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- 07-07-2005 12:12  
Hebben de mensen uit Leek ook wat te maken met de gebeurtenissen in Londen?
Frode
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- 07-07-2005 12:53  
London? Wat gebeurt daar? Live 8 bedoel je?
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 07-07-2005 15:44  
Ik denk niet dat Scylla het over Live8 heeft... Ik vermoed dat ie refereert aan de 7 bomaanslagen die vanochtend in Londen plaatsgevonden hebben - met tientallen doden en honderden gewonden als gevolg...
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 07-07-2005 15:48  
Moet je deze ooggetuigeverslagen eens lezen - ik vrees dat het dodental (nu 45) nog flink gaat stijgen:

"It was a massive explosion and there were papers and half a bus flying through the air, I think it was the number 205. There must be a lot of people dead as all the buses were packed, they had been turning people away from the tube stops."

"There were obviously people badly injured. A parking attendant said he thought a piece of human flesh had landed on his arm."
Dr. Ramon
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- 07-07-2005 16:27  
Nou, het komt wel dichtbij zeg. Gelukkig hebben wij onze spineless Balkenende die de aanval op Irak alleen maar 'politieke steun' bood en niet militaire steun. Of zou dat voor onze Secret Organization of Al Qaeda Europe niks uitmaken? Wellicht scheelt het ook dat wij ook genoeg aanwas leveren aan de Al Qaeda trainingskampen.
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 07-07-2005 21:02  
Over Balkenende gesproken: wat is dat toch een emotieloze zak zout. Die Blair - wat je ook van zijn beleid vindt - weet tenminste hoe je een volk moet toespreken. Daar kan onze premier nog heel wat van leren!
Frode
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- 08-07-2005 06:01  
Ah, dat in Londen. Daar had ik nog niets van gehoord toen ik tegen 1 uur vanmiddag net thuis was. Ik ving er vaag wat van op toen ik weer naar school ging van wat gesprekken tussen leeraren, en tegen 17:00 zag ik het pas op 't nieuws.
Bjørn
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- 08-07-2005 18:14  
Tja, die vervelende gebeurtenissenin Londen hebben het hele nieuws over het afwijzen van een nieuwe wet die software patenten geldig zou maken overspoeld. Ik hoorde van mijn moeder dat er nog wel een stukje over in de Volkskrant stond.
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- 08-07-2005 19:02  
Frode moet iets vaker een krant lezen/nieuws kijken....
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 09-07-2005 13:37  
Nou, als die aanslagen er niet waren geweest, dan waren die softwarepatenten vast het nieuws van de dag geweest!
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maar niet heus
Dr. Ramon
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- 09-07-2005 21:24  
Gelukkig is Edwin nooit te beroerd om de nerds een warm hart toe te dragen!
Frode
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- 10-07-2005 23:37  
Scylla... ik was toen ik dat schreef net thuis, die ochtend zat ik op de fiets naar school, ik hoorde het vlak na het posten van dat bericht op het nieuws.

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Edwin zou deze wereld graag de verdoemenis in helpen... het ergste is misschien nog wel dat als Edwin aan de macht komt er overal slager muziek door de propaganda speakers in de straten schalt.
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- 12-07-2005 14:23  
Op de fiets kan je ook radionieuws luisteren!
Frode
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- 13-07-2005 13:54  
Jan met de pet niet
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- 14-07-2005 17:32  
Krijg jij van mij een draagbaar transistorradiootje!
Laurens
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- 15-07-2005 09:41  
Toch voel ik me een beetje trots, dat Leek nu op de wereld kaart is gezet :-)
Frode
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- 15-07-2005 17:17  
Ach, dat stond 't al i.v.m. softdrugs gebruik geloof ik.
Bjørn
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- 15-07-2005 20:16  
Maar ook om leuke dingen, zoals bijvoorbeeld het Familiepark Nienoord.
Dr. Ramon
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- 15-07-2005 20:36  
Het watte?
Bjørn
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- 15-07-2005 21:20  
Ik ga het niet herhalen.
Dr. Ramon
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- 16-07-2005 01:45  
Op die manier bedoelde ik het ook niet natuurlijk. Anders had ik nog kunnen zeggen: Je hoeft niet te schreeuwen, ik ben niet blind!

Maar ik bedoelde met mijn opmerking maar aan te geven, dat Leek dus niet echt bekend is om dingen als Familiepark Nienoord. Eventueel nog door dat rijtuigenmuseum, maar daar houdt het volgens mij dan ook wel zo ongeveer op.
Laurens
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- 16-07-2005 08:57  
Leek stond ook een keer in de Groene Amsterdammer... Niet echt positief alleen.
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 16-07-2005 10:22  
Vanwege het grootste percentage werklozen!
Dr. Ramon
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- 16-07-2005 12:02  
En de meest saaie stad ofzo toch?
Laurens
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- 16-07-2005 12:53  
Stad? Whahahahaha, laat me niet lachen man!
Dr. Ramon
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- 16-07-2005 13:54  
Nou ja, dorpje dan.
Frode
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- 17-07-2005 00:01  
Jan-Jaap v/d Wal heeft vroeger als kleine jongen nog rondjes gereden op een ezeltje in Nienoord in Leek.
Of was 't nou Hans Teeuwen? Of allebei...
Laurens
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- 17-07-2005 10:40  
Wat deden JJvdW of HT in Leek? Die komen toch niet uit de buurt?
Dr. Ramon
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- 17-07-2005 12:42  
Jan-Jaap zat in Leeuwarden op school bij een jaargenoot van Biologie.
Laurens
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- 17-07-2005 18:25  
Wat deed hij daar dan?
Dr. Ramon
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- 17-07-2005 18:32  
Hij ging er gewoon naar school! Dat had je vast niet gedacht.

De bedoelde jaargenoot is overigens Mark van der Brug. Die naam zegt Edwin vast wel wat. Zij zaten dus bij elkaar in de klas.
Laurens
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- 17-07-2005 19:22  
Gast, ik bedoelde: wat voor'n opleiding deed hij?
Frode
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- 17-07-2005 23:45  
"Wat deden JJvdW of HT in Leek?"
Ze reden er ezel, in die dagen kon dat blijkbaar niet overal... of hij had er familie wonen, weet ik veel.
Maar ik weet zeker dat een van die 2 dat een keer op TV heeft verteld, volgens mij was het JJvdW bij Dit Was het Nieuws, maar dat weet ik dus niet zeker.
Dr. Ramon
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- 18-07-2005 00:29  
Ik weet niet of Jan-Jaap wel een opleiding heeft gevolgd verder. Hij was al redelijk snel bekend als stand-up comedian geloof ik. Ontdekt door Raoul Heertje zelf.
Laurens
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- 18-07-2005 12:25  
Joh, doro Raoul zelf. Tjonge... Vriendjes politiek dus.
Dr. Ramon
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- 18-07-2005 12:57  
Tja, maar ja, hoe wil je daar anders terechtkomen.
Laurens
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- 18-07-2005 23:03  
Harm pijpen? :-S
Dr. Ramon
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- 19-07-2005 00:35  
Bah zeg! Waarom wordt het nu meteen weer naar zo'n laag niveau getrokken?
Laurens
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- 19-07-2005 10:49  
Laag niveau? Dat zijn jouw woorden. Ik denk dat Harm er anders over denkt.
Dr. Ramon
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- 20-07-2005 11:51  
Nou, ook hij zal toch kunnen beamen dan dat het niveau niet hoger dan gordelhoogte kwam.
Laurens
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- 20-07-2005 12:00  
HAHAHAHAHAHA <zucht>
Dr. Ramon
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- 20-07-2005 23:02  
Dat was niet eens grappig bedoeld zeg :-S
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 21-07-2005 14:54  
Nou, onze islamitische vrienden zijn ook weer gezellig bezig geweest in London!

Tering...
Dr. Ramon
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- 21-07-2005 15:34  
Ja, maar het zijn een beetje mislukte aanslagjes geweest of niet? De islamietjes zeker.
Laurens
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- 21-07-2005 15:44  
Ramon, volgens mij ben jij het master mind er achter! Per slot van rekening kom jij uit Indonesie.
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 21-07-2005 16:26  
Hee verrek, dat zou best eens kunnen!
No name
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- 21-07-2005 17:40  
Oehhhh worden we gemeen?!

Jullie moeten maar eens naar de (3 uur durende) documentaire kijken die luistert naar de naam "The Power of Nightmares"

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

Volgens die docu komt het erop neer dat Al Qaida niet echt bestaat (of in elk geval veel kleiner is dan wordt gezegd). Het gaat over de amerikaanse neo-conservatieven en extreem islamisten. Erg interessant!

Je kan de drie delen hier downloaden op:

http://ia108025.us.archive.org/1/items/ThePowerOfNightmares/

Uiteraard raad ik de 3 mpegs aan! (bijna 3 gig downloaden)

De film is op de BBC geweest en de film is door de maker vrijgegeven op de genoemde site.
Dr. Ramon
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- 21-07-2005 19:25  
Een van de daders had een aziatisch uiterlijk! Oei! Zou ik het soms geweest zijn?
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 24-07-2005 14:24  
Ik heb die documentaire oorspronkelijk op de BBC gezien, en ik was er niet erg van onder de indruk. Alle conflicten die er momenteel bestaan tussen Amerika + andere landen worden door de documentairemaker in de schoenen geschoven van de neoconservatieven. Nou ben ik ook geen liefhebber van het neoconservatieve gedachtegoed, maar zoveel credits verdienen ze niet.
Laurens
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- 24-07-2005 15:26  
Hmm, ik heb hem zojuist binnen getorrent ... Moet ik het nou wel gaan kijken of niet?
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- 24-07-2005 16:10  
Het kijkt lekker weg hoor...
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- 24-07-2005 17:56  
Niet alle conflicten hoor.
Dr. Ramon
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- 24-07-2005 23:13  
Drie uur? Is dat niet heel erg lang voor een documentaire? Of een film in het algemeen eigenlijk. Ik weet nog wel dat ik de Titanic al veel te lang vond duren. En LOTR deel 2 ook.
Frode
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- 25-07-2005 03:08  
Verdeeld over 3 delen... valt mee.
Walking with Dinosaurs duurde in totaal wel langer denk ik.
Dr. Ramon
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- 25-07-2005 12:38  
Ik snap niet dat mensen zulke dingen zo lang volhouden.
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- 25-07-2005 17:21  
Om zo lang met Dinosaurussen te lopen bedoel je?
Dr. Ramon
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- 25-07-2005 17:29  
Ja, want dino's maken nogal grote stappen over het algemeen. Als mens kun je dat denk ik niet makkelijk bijhouden. Tenzij je natuurlijk met de kleinere dino's meeloopt.
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- 25-07-2005 17:30  
Met de overlevenden van de dino's kun je volgens mij best een stukje meelopen. Die nemen niet zulke grote stappen!
Dr. Ramon
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- 25-07-2005 17:31  
Nou, vogels zijn eigenlijk de evolutionaire opvolgers. Een pinguin kun je nog wel bijhouden. Maar een struisvogel kan al wat lastig worden. Om over vliegende vogels helemaal maar te zwijgen.
Ikwileennieuwenaam
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- 25-07-2005 17:34  
Stelletje ouwehoeren.
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- 25-07-2005 17:35  
Ik ben niet oud!
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- 25-07-2005 17:35  
Maar wel een hoer?
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- 25-07-2005 17:36  
Zit je me nou te beledigen!?
Dr. Ramon
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- 25-07-2005 17:36  
Vogels zijn toch de opvolgers van dinosaurussen Edwin? Wij zaten in hetzelfde eerste jaar bij Biologie, dus jij moet hetzelfde als ik hebben gehoord toen. Was het niet prof. Videler die het zei?
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- 25-07-2005 17:43  
Nee, Scyl, ik zit je heus niet te beledigen. Je vroeg er gewoon om...

Vogels worden door sommige wetenschappers inderdaad gezien als de nakomelingen van de dinosaurussen. Meest overtuigende bewijs daarvoor is de Archeopterix (of zoiets) - een dinosaurussoort met veren.
Dr. Ramon
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- 25-07-2005 17:45  
Zou de Archeopterix uit een Asterix stripboek zijn gekomen? Het lijkt zo'n typische Asterix naam.
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- 25-07-2005 17:46  
Wie zal het zeggen?
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- 25-07-2005 18:17  
Ik niet!
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- 25-07-2005 21:27  
De correcte spelling is overigens Archaeopteryx...
Dr. Ramon
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- 26-07-2005 00:15  
Ah ja, nu komt het wat bekender voor. Dan komt het zeker niet uit een Asterix album.
Frode
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- 26-07-2005 01:09  
De alombekende Velociraptor had ook wat veren, geloof ik.

Stammen de zoogdieren trouwens ook niet van dinosauriers af?
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- 26-07-2005 09:45  
Nee.
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- 26-07-2005 10:48  
Zoogdieren heten zoogdieren omdat ze hun jongen levend baren en vervolgens zogen (de vrouwtjes dan). Dino's en vogels (en reptielen, die dan wel weer afstammeling zijn van de dino's geloof ik, de krokodillen in ieder geval) leggen eerst eieren waaruit hun jongen pas na een tijdje geboren worden en zogen ze vervolgens ook niet.
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- 26-07-2005 10:53  
Krokodillen zijn geen afstammelingen van de dino's. (Net zoals wij geen afstammelingen zijn van de apen.)

Heb je dan helemaal niets geleerd bij biologie?
Dr. Ramon
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- 26-07-2005 15:11  
Krokodillen waren toch wel op een of andere manier gerelateerd aan dino's?

Wat boeiden de dieren mij ook verder. Ik ging per slot van rekening toch lekker geneeskunde doen!
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- 27-07-2005 09:56  
Krokodillen en dino's hebben een gezamenlijke voorouder. Dat wil niet zeggen dat de een van de ander afstamt.
Dr. Ramon
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- 27-07-2005 11:03  
Ah, op die manier.
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- 26-08-2005 11:51  
Hee, dit schreef jij op 24-02-2002:

Geachte Scylla,

Berichten die uit slechts één zin bestaan, of erger nog, uit één woord, leveren van oudsher de poster dezes het predikaat 'KzK' op. Hetgeen staat voor (mocht dat nu nog niet duidelijk zijn): Kip zonder Kop. Daar was u echter al wel van op de hoogte. Dit predikaat kan ernstige psychische consequenties hebben, zoals wij helaas hebben moeten meemaken met voormalig lid Laurens. Ik zou u dan ook vriendelijk alsmede dringend willen verzoeken, uw berichten iets meer cachet en inhoud te geven.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Ramon.


Waar zijn je principes Ramon?
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- 26-08-2005 12:48  
Weg!

---
KzK
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- 26-08-2005 16:39  
KvK en KeK!
Dr. Ramon
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- 26-08-2005 18:59  
Wat betekende dat ook alweer? Kwaliteit voor Kwantiteit en K... e... K... ?
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- 26-08-2005 19:11  
Kwaliteit en Kwantiteit toch?
No name
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- 26-08-2005 22:02  
KVMK!

(kut voor mekaar)
Dr. Ramon
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- 27-08-2005 01:58  
Oh, wat was KvK dan?

De kut voor mekaar show ken ik wel geloof ik.
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- 27-08-2005 16:38  
KvK = Kwaliteit voor Kwantiteit (korte post met inhoud)
KeK = Kwaliteit en Kwantiteit (lange post met inhoud)

Of vergis ik me nu?
Dr. Ramon
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- 28-08-2005 22:57  
Ah! Ik weet het niet meer. Maar het klinkt wel logisch ja.
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